662: Just Break the Law

Pre-show: More people have been infected by Goose
🗣️ New ATP Members’ Special: ATP Insider: The Restaurant, Season One 🗣️

An aside about outerwear

🗣️ The ATP Holiday Store is back! Order before 9 November! 🗣️

T568A & T568B

Idea courtesy Adam Brandon

Follow-up:

Recognition corner
Casey begs for help

Callsheet List bug (FB17661404) is fixed in 26.1 🎉
However, Menu(::primaryAction:) is broken (FB20755661)

Some M5 Vision Pro clarifications

The M5 does have Memory Integrity Enforcement

The M5 MacBook pro without a charger is actually cheaper in most regions

EU is €100 cheaper without / €35 with (via Nick Heer)
UK is the same though

The non-determinism of LLMs (via Heiko Hotz)

New chat
Mira Murati’s company piece discussing non-determinism

The M5 Vision Pro

Dual Knit Band
HDCP
Television
Theater
New Developer Strap (behind Apple Developer paywall)

MacRumors coverage

Post-show: John’s weird Finder animation bug

AVIF

Members-only ATP Overtime: Apple 🤝🏻 F1 in 🇺🇸

Previous offerings
Apple’s bespoke F1 camera

Wired’s coverage

Apple’s F1-themed WWDC intro

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662: Just Break the Law

October 23, 2025
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Finally, we have all taken a trip together to Mount Hood.

• Pre-show: More people have been infected by Goose

• 🗣️ New ATP Members’ Special: ATP Insider: The Restaurant, Season One 🗣️

• An aside about outerwear

• 🗣️ The ATP Holiday Store is back! Order before 9 November! 🗣️

• T568A & T568B

• Idea courtesy Adam Brandon

• Follow-up:

• Recognition corner

• Casey begs for help

• Callsheet List bug (FB17661404) is fixed in 26.1 🎉

• However, Menu(::primaryAction:) is broken (FB20755661)

• Some M5 Vision Pro clarifications

• The M5 does have Memory Integrity Enforcement

• The M5 MacBook pro without a charger is actually cheaper in most regions

• EU is €100 cheaper without / €35 with (via Nick Heer)

• UK is the same though

• The non-determinism of LLMs (via Heiko Hotz)

• New chat

• Mira Murati’s company piece discussing non-determinism

• The M5 Vision Pro

• Dual Knit Band

• HDCP

• Television

• Theater

• New Developer Strap (behind Apple Developer paywall)

• MacRumors coverage

• Post-show: John’s weird Finder animation bug

• AVIF

• Members-only ATP Overtime: Apple 🤝🏻 F1 in 🇺🇸

• Previous offerings

• Apple’s bespoke F1 camera

• Wired’s coverage

• Apple’s F1-themed WWDC intro

• Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code atp.

• DeleteMe: Making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online.

• Leesa: A mattress for every body and budget; use code ATP for 20% off mattresses plus an extra $50 off.

Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

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